The Archive of the Romanian Revolution of December 1989

A Catch-22 December 1989, Groundhog-Day Production. Presenting the Personal Research & Scholarship of Richard Andrew Hall, Ph.D.

Timisoara si Mostenitorii Revizionismului Securist

Posted by romanianrevolutionofdecember1989 on December 17, 2010

(punct de vedere strict personal; bazat pe cercetarea mea veche din anii ’90)

Faptul ca ieri la IICCMER a fost invitat si a vorbit despre decembrie 1989 Grigore Cartianu http://www.adevarul.ro/actualitate/eveniment/Dezbateri_incinse__pe_tema_Revolutiei_0_391161457.html nu trebuie sa fie o surpriza nimanui.

Era laudat in vara trecuta cu cuvinte frumoase de catre eternul Vladimir Tismaneanu “Este un lucru demonstrat cu prisosinta si de onesta ancheta jurnalistica a lui Grigore Cartianu (publicata sub titlul de carte: “Sfârşitul Ceauşeştilor”). http://tismaneanu.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/deshumarea-lui-ceausescu-un-pas-spre-adevar/ “

(inainte, si nu lipsit de importanta…: http://tismaneanu.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/impotriva-linsajelor-mediatice-un-articol-de-andrei-cornea/ ; http://www.adevarul.ro/financiar/Kogalniceanu-Fripturistul_0_150585030.html ; http://tismaneanu.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/chipurile-infamiei-grigore-cartianu-despre-nistorescu-groparul/#more-3428)

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se pare ca Tismaneanu e mandru de “isprava” lui Cartianu…http://tismaneanu.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/dezbatere-despre-caderea-comunismului-la-iiccmer/

Cartianu vorbeste despre GRU, si “politica de cadre,” cine a studiat la Moscova samd

min 5:30 despre “turisti”…

despre Cartianu ca mostenitor al lui Stoenescu

https://romanianrevolutionofdecember1989.wordpress.com/2010/12/14/iasi-14-decembrie/

hai sa radem cu dle. Cartianu…http://webtv.realitatea.net/actual/cartianu-l-a-intrebat-pe-gorbaciov-despre-turistii-sovietici-aflati-in-romania-in-decembrie-1989

ar fi bine pentru VT si altii la IICCMER sa reciteasca concluzia mea dintr-un articol publicat in EEPS in 1999 (chiar daca stiu bine ca nu vor face niciodata…)

https://romanianrevolutionofdecember1989.wordpress.com/2010/12/08/the-uses-of-absurdity-the-staged-war-theory-and-the-romanian-revolution-of-december-1989-part-iv-pp-530-542-1999-by-richard-andrew-hall/

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In 1995, si Vladimir Tismaneanu si Maria Bucur (tot un membru IICCMER acum, Profesoara de Istorie la Universitatea din Indiana la Bloomington) m-au sfatuit sa le citesc articolele lui Cornel Ivanciuc…fiindca el scria in Revista 22, tribuna intelectualilor cinstiti din Romania…

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Numai ca atunci deja le-am citit articolele lui Ivanciuc, si aveam indoieli https://romanianrevolutionofdecember1989.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/decembrie-89-citeva-indoieli-stirnite-de-un-articol-din-revista-22-cazul-ivanciuc-si-teza-turistilor-sovietici/ …cum am descris in teza mea din 1996:

The theory has also found its way into the opposition media. Cornel Ivanciuc, who in 1995 wrote one of the most influential exposes to date on the former Securitate for the weekly 22, maintains that the Soviets achieved their aims in December 1989 by means of the so-called “tourist-incursionists, whose activity during the revolution was identical to those of the Spetsnaz special troops for reconnaissance and diversion of the GRU [Soviet military intelligence].”[13] Two months after General Vlad’s 1991 court statement, Sorin Rosca Stanescu, one of the most prominent journalist critics of the Iliescu regime and the SRI, presented an interview in the leading opposition daily Romania Libera with an anonymous KGB officer residing in Paris who outlined a familiar scenario.[14] The KGB officer claimed that he had entered Romania on 14 December with others as part of a KGB plan to open fire and create confusion. He had been in Timisoara during the events, but suggested he never received the anticipated order to open fire and left the country on 26 December. Rosca Stanescu, however, made sure to remind his audience of “the insistent rumors which have been circulating referring to the existence on Romanian territory of 2,000 “LADA” automobiles with Soviet tags and two men inside each car…”[15] Stanescu closed by asking his readers: “What did the Ceausescu couple know but were unable to say? Why is general Vlad held in this ambiguous chess game?…Is Iliescu protected by the KGB?”

Stanescu’s intentions are further drawn into question by the fact that this particular article has been cited positively by former Securitate officers in their writings. Colonel Filip Teodorescu of the Securitate‘s Counter-espionage Directorate, the second highest-ranking Securitate officer in Timisoara during the repression and sentenced to prison for his role in those events, cites extensively and favorably from this very article by Stanescu in a book on the December events.[16] Pavel Corut also invokes Rosca Stanescu’s interview in support his arguments.[17] Moreover, Rosca Stanescu’s questionable comments make the issue of his (revealed and acknowledged) past collaboration with the Securitate‘s USLA unit between 1975 and 1985 relevant.[18]

[13].. Cornel Ivanciuc, “Raporturile dintre Frontul Salvarii Nationale si KGB [The Relations between the National Salvation Front and the KGB],” 22, no. 21 (24-30 May 1995), 11.

[14].. Sorin Rosca Stanescu, “Iliescu aparat de K.G.B.? [Iliescu defended by the KGB]” Romania Libera, 18 April 1991, 8.

[15].. Ibid. Rosca Stanescu had in fact already floated this theory. In June 1990, he wrote: “…in the Army, more and more insistently there is talk of the over 4,000 ‘LADA’ automobiles with two men per car, which travelled by various routes in the days preceding the Revolution and then disappeared…” (Sorin Rosca Stanescu, “Se destrama conspiratia tacerii? [Is the conspiracy of silence unravelling?]” Romania Libera, 14 June 1990, 2a). At that time it could be argued that Rosca Stanescu was unaware of the Securitate account. It is difficult to say the same of his comment in April 1991.

[16].. Filip Teodorescu, Un Risc Asumat: Timisoara, decembrie 1989 (Bucharest: Editura Viitorul Romanesc, 1992), 93-94. Curiously, Teodorescu adds: “Besides, I have no reason to suspect that the journalist Sorin Rosca Stanescu would have invented a story in order to come to the defense of those accused by the judicial system and public opinion of the tragic consequences of the December 1989 events.”

[17].. Although Corut does not mention Stanescu by name as does Teodorescu, the references are unambiguous. See Pavel Corut, Floarea de Argint [The Silver Flower] (Bucharest: Editura Miracol, 1994), 173; idem, Fulgerul Albastru [Blue Lightning] (Bucharest: Editura Miracol, 1993), 211.

[18].. In April 1992, documents were leaked (presumably by regime sources) to the media and foreign embassies showing that Stanescu had been an informer for the Securitate‘s elite anti-terrorist unit (the USLA) between 1975 and 1985. Stanescu admitted that the charges were true. Although released from Romania Libera in June 1992, he was picked up elsewhere in the opposition press, returned to Romania Libera the following year, and eventually became editor of an opposition daily owned by the trust which runs Romania Libera. Prominent opposition figures have steadfastly defended him as a victim of the Iliescu regime, and in spite of his past, his writings have largely gone unscrutinized. On Stanescu’s case, see Sorin Rosca Stanescu, “Securea lui Magureanu,” Romania Libera, 17 April 1992, 1, 3 (the article which personally attacked the SRI’s Director Virgil Magureanu and appears to have prompted the release of Stanescu’s file); Anton Uncu, “Opriti-l pe Arturo Ui,” Romania Libera, 30 April 1992, 1, 3; Rosca Stanescu, “Sint H-15,” Romania Libera, 9 May 1992, 5; idem, interview by Andreea Pora, “‘H-15′ in slujba patriei,” 22, no. 120 (15-21 May 1992), 13; “Catre SRI,” Romania Libera, 9 June 1992, 1; “Goodbye Magureanu,” The Economist, no. 2212 (18 June 1992) in Tinerama, no. 85 (10-17 July 1992), 3.

Si intr-adevar, multi ani mai tarziu s-a dovedit ca intr-adevar ceva n-a fost in regula cu dle. Ivanciuc, era un fost colaborator al Securitatii.

http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-arhiva-1147456-cornel-ivanciuc-turnat-fost-platit-securitate.htm

http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-arhiva-1119849-ivanciuc-braia-colaborat-fosta-securitate-chireac-nu.htm

http://www.revista22.ro/colaborarea-lui-ivanciuc-la-revista-22-3194.html

(mie putin amuzant interviul cu Gabriela Adamesteanu…in iunie 1994 am luat un interviu cu Dinsa si cu Gabriel Andreescu, si i-am intrebat daca nu cumva erau infiltrate (fosti) informatori  in GDS si Revista 22–exclus, in nici un caz, mi-au spus…)

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Deci ce crede dle. Cartianu, invitat stralucit la IICCMER, despre Timisoara?

http://www.adevarul.ro/grigore_cartianu/Europrovocatorul_Tokes_Laszlo_7_382831715.html

Lászlo Tökes face un joc dubios, aşa cum a făcut şi în decembrie 1989. După căderea regimului Ceauşescu, Tökes a fost prezentat drept un vajnic luptător împotriva dictaturii comuniste. În realitate, el era doar un pion într-un amplu scenariu al serviciilor secrete. A întreţinut relaţii „fierbinţi” atât cu Securitatea română, cât şi cu omoloaga sa maghiară. Refuzul de a părăsi casa parohială din Timişoara a durat doar până când Ceauşescu a fost înfrânt. Apoi, pastorul şi-a luat catrafusele şi s-a stabilit, cuminţel, într-o mică parohie din Sălaj.

Mircea Marian a relatat ceea ce scrie Cartianu in cartea lui “Sfirsitul Ceausestilor”–cea laudata de catre Tismaneanu:

Relatarea evenimentelor de la Timișoara este mult mai scandaloasă. Ceea ce s-a întâmplat acolo a fost, potrivit lui Cartianu, „o diversiune”, iar în oraș au acționat „profesioniști” care au asaltat „tenace și silențios” instituțiile statului comunist. Despre Tokes: „Avem dovezile trădării, chitanța olografă scrisă de pastor, pentru 20.000 de lei…”. Trec peste imbecilitatea – preluată de la istoricul Ioan Scurtu – cu agenții secreți care primesc factură fiscală. Dar Cartianu nu scrie nimic despre cei uciși la Timișoara în capitolul dedicat evenimentelor din acest oraș. Informația apare tangențial, undeva departe. În schimb, teza intervenției maghiare este elaborată minuțios, pornind de la declarațiile fostului șef al Direcției l a securității, Gheorghe Rațiu [https://romanianrevolutionofdecember1989.wordpress.com/2009/12/20/nicolae-plesita-si-gheorghe-ratiu-despre-decembrie-1989-teza-pretuita-a-securistilor-dia-e-de-vina/]. Cartianu pare că are toată încrederea în acest personaj, citat frecvent în cartea sa. Pentru cine nu știe, Rațiu este cel care a coordonat represiunea împotriva Doinei Cornea – o spune chiar fosta dizidentă. Și, cine sunt cei care vroiau să răstoarne regimul Ceaușescu? Țiganii antrenați în Ungaria, spune colonenlul Rațiu. Probe? Poate în volumul doi al „Sfârșitului Ceaușeștilor”, pe care Cartianu ni l-a promis deja.  http://kiseleff.ro/2010/06/22/bietul-cartianu-a-ajuns-%C8%99i-vuvuzela-securistului-patriot/

Cinism despre motivele si legaturile lui Tokes in decembrie 1989 nu este noua, de exemplu, Ioan Itu:

extras din teza mea

Moreover, Pastor Tokes has himself become the subject of scrutiny. In 1994, the opposition weekly Tinerama published documents it maintained revealed that ever since the mid-1970s Pastor Tokes had been an informer for the Securitate.[30] Well-known journalist Ioan Itu hinted that the revelation of this fact meant that the story of December 1989 needed to be completely reconsidered in light of this new information.

[30].. Ioan Itu, “Laszlo Tokes nu e un episcop real [Laszlo Tokes is not a real bishop],” Tinerama, no. 178 (12-19 May 1994), 2; idem, “Laszlo Tokes–informator al Securitatii [Laszlo Tokes–Securitate informer,” Tinerama, no. 182 (10-16 June 1994), 3.

https://romanianrevolutionofdecember1989.wordpress.com/2010/12/15/timisoara-15-decembrie/

Tot un mare “Romanianist” din occident a relatat cercetarea lui Ioan Itu fara dubii (de ce?, fiindca revista Tinerama a fost impotriva Puterii de atunci, impotriva lui Iliescu)—e vorba de englezul Dennis Deletant in cartea sa, Ceausescu and the Securitate (1995)…

numai ca Itu era si el un fost colaborator al Securitatii (deci ca Ivanciuc vulnerabil dupa 1989):  Marius Mioc despre colaborarea cu securitatea a lui Ioan Itu

extras din…

https://romanianrevolutionofdecember1989.wordpress.com/2009/12/19/revizionism-despre-cazul-mapn-23-24-decembrie-89-de-catre-cine-si-cu-ce-scop/

for the broader discussion in English see Doublespeak: The All-Too-Familiar Tales of Nicolae Ceausescu\’s Double

The DIA variant, so dear to the hearts of Ceausescu’s double and his Securitate counterparts, has a long and fabled history. In the early and mid-1990s, it became a favorite of the opposition to the communist successor regime of President Ion Iliescu—an opposition that included many of those who had suffered most under the old regime. (After being voted out in 1996, Iliescu returned to the presidency in the 2000 elections.) In the opposition press, noted journalists such as Ioan Itu and Ilie Stoian at “Tinerama,” Cornel Ivanciuc at “22″ and later at “Academia Catavencu, ” and Petre Mihai Bacanu at “Romania Libera” promoted the DIA thesis at one time or another.

Marius Mioc despre colaborarea cu securitatea a lui Ioan Itu

significantly, Itu didnt just collaborate with just anybody, but–like Sorin Rosca Stanescu–precisely the USLA, from 1978 to 1983 !

The following article, in which Itu exculpated the USLA (Securitate) and attempted to cast blame instead on the DIA (Army)–in part by taking out of context the communication that is recreated–has been used by Denis Deletant, Peter Siani-Davies, and others to suggest how original understandings of the December events were erroneous.  In twenty years, there has not been a single confirmation that at this moment “army units were attacking their own Ministry” as the article suggests.

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By the end of 1993, Itu had become a strong proponent of the DIA theory, which had its roots directly in the former Securitate https://romanianrevolutionofdecember1989.wordpress.com/2009/12/20/radaciniile-securiste-ale-tezei-dia-despre-decembrie-1989/, https://romanianrevolutionofdecember1989.wordpress.com/2009/12/20/dezinformare-securista-despre-decembrie-1989-in-actiune-zig-zag-anul-1990-angela-bacescu-teroristii-n-au-fost-securisti-nici-n-au-existat-teroristi-gheorghe-ionescu-olbojan-teroristii-au-2/

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deci nu este nici o surpriza ca un mare admirator al cartii lui Cartianu este…Alex Mihai Stoenescu:

” Grigore Cartianu a gasit numeroase amanunte pe care istoricul si juristul le ignora. Din acest punct de vedere, imaginea despre evenimentele din decembrie 1989, din Romania, este la el mult mai ampla si, totodata, mult mai aproape de actorii lor: oamenii.

Din acest moment, la 20 de ani de la evenimente, istoricii au in sfarsit un aliat. Si este vorba despre un demers jurnalistic coerent, nu ipsit de evadari literare, care ofera cititorilor o imagine mai aproape de realitatea pe care am trait-o si care in acesti 20 de ani a fost acoperita cu rogojina minciunii.

Cartea de fata este povestea loviturii de stat transformate in revolutie si a revolutiei tranformata in lovitura de stat.” – Alex Mihai Stoenescu, istoric

http://www.ishop.ro/carte/Sfarsitul-Ceausestilor-Sa-mori-impuscat-ca-un-animal-salbatic_30515.html

despre AMS si Securitatea… https://romanianrevolutionofdecember1989.wordpress.com/2010/12/14/iasi-14-decembrie/

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  3. romanianrevolutionofdecember1989 said

    IOAN ITU Spune:
    aprilie 4, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    PRIN HOTATAREA ICJC NR 1384/09/03/2011 RECURSUL DECLARAT DE CNSAS A FOST RESPINS CA NEFONDAT. DEFINITIVA si IREVOCABILA. Poti verifica pe siteul Inaltei Curti (dosar 31490/3/2008) si in consecinta astept sa dai dovada de o minima deontologie profesionala,SA STERGI TOATE CALOMNIILE la adresa mea,in caz contrar ma voi adresa justitiei!
    Răspunde

    mariusmioc Spune:
    aprilie 4, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Vă felicit pentru procesul cîştigat. După ce am verificat afirmaţia dv. şi m-am convins că e adevărată, am adăugat o precizare chiar la începutul acestui articol, astfel încît să fie vizibilă de oricine nimereşte la acest articol, cu privire la faptul că aţi cîştigat procesul cu CNSAS şi nu puteţi fi considerat colaborator al securităţii. În cazul în care îmi vezi furniza copia hotărîrii ÎCCJ (vedeţi pagina “contact” a acestui blog pentru adresa mea de e-mail) sînt dispus să public întreaga motivare a acesteia. Încă de acum un an v-am cerut informaţii suplimentare despre procesul pe care-l aveaţi cu CNSAS şi singurul motiv pentru care nu le-am publicat este că nu mi le-aţi furnizat.

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